ThyExperiments Towards Truth
D 60 & BCP cum BSP
Copy editor: Andree Leclerc
The following mail was sent on one of the forums.
Dear Visti, all SJC Gurus and learned members, namaste. Please, kindly clarify the question bellow.
As Maharishi Parashara says, D-60 is everything. I wanted to know more about this subject.
This question arose while studying my own Shastyamsa: if I pick Lahiri Ayanamsa, Ketu would be in twelfth house Mithuna sign with Guru, Sani and Surya. On the other hand, if I chose Jagannatha ayanamsa, Ketu would be in Karka (Which is the lagna) and fifth from AL.
Knowing how the curse (of twelfth house) would work on this life and how to make it at least a little bit less painful if possible is very important, right? With Lahiri ayanamsa, the nodes would take part on the curse in the twelfth house. With Jagannatha, it is different, as the nodes would change position to other signs and Rahu and Mars would be affecting Moon.
Please, clarify: which ayanamsa to chose, and based on which judgment should we do so? The results from picking one or another would differ much in many vargas and ultimately could mislead the astrologer in applying the right remedy for each situation. Should we choose the ayanamsa based on intuition, or the tradition is the final word on which one should be chosen?
Ps: My tob and pob – 07:00:10 – Time Zone: 03:00/ Lon 47W54 Lat 15S47
The following is a discussion on chat with an astrologer from Brazil. It is presented in chat form and shows our approach and also its vulnerability. Readers can use various ayanamsas and check his D 60, play with his Ketu with the ayanamsas and see the significations of Ketu which means obstacles, fights, hosting ones flag, who shows non attachment or not direct relation (use it with his sisters) who is with A6 (fights) and see the clues on how we found out if his D60 is correct.
Ra Si: hi there
SA: this is with reference to your mail on Sri Jagannatha forum, I seem to have done some work on D60 since 2004 and wanted your chart details if its ok with you, the message posted did not contain DOB
Ra Si: oh sure, it’ll be of great help, thanks
SA: most welcome
Ra Si: i was born in 09/02/82
SA: is it 9th Feb 1982?
Ra Si: yes
SA: Time, location and country
Ra Si: 07:00:10, Brasilia/ Brazil at 2:07:00:10 am
SA: what is the 10 seconds ? in the time of birth
Ra Si: this tob i found by rectification
SA: no, no rectification please
SA: what is there in your birth certificate
Ra Si: ok, 7:00:00
SA: oh ok thanks
Ra Si: ten seconds changed the D-24 chart
SA: Sir you would be male female (for dasas)
Ra Si: male
SA: there are many latitudes & longitudes – which one should I take please guide
Ra Si: 47w54 / 15s47
SA: time zone too
Ra Si: time zone 3
SA: ok please hang on I will check in other softwares too
Ra Si: ok
SA: Jhora gives 1 time zone ?
Ra Si: its wrong, its 3 time zone
SA: in which name should I save the chart (full name please if possible)
Ra Si: u should save the chart as Ra Si
SA: next to Brasilia, I get Acre, another option Maranhao and many others. Which state would it be?
Ra Si: its Brasilia DF
SA: distrito federal
Ra Si: yes
SA: got it
SA: 8 Aq 42 Asc?
Ra Si: yes – you see, ten seconds later would fit better on D-24 chart and also fits on kunda principles
SA: kunda principles do not work; I am sure you are told that by experienced astrologers, meaning if you are using kunda for birth time rectification
SA: re D24 let’s see
Ra Si: ok
SA: your Navamsa lagna is Sagi ?
Ra Si: yes
SA: D-60 lagna is Cancer ?
Ra Si: yes
SA: do you have younger brothers sisters?
Ra Si: yes, both
SA: do you get along with them ?
Ra Si: but sisters are just related by father – I’m not close to sisters and have some kind of enmity towards my brother. Sisters live in another city
SA: so Ketu is in the 3H of siblings in D-60 is confirmed
Ra Si: well, I love my brother
Ra Si: Ketu in D-60?
SA: you said earlier you got enmity towards your brother ?
Ra Si: we have lots of arguments but I don’t hate him or anything like that – I just get too angry at him
SA: that’s ok. Anyone of them having any Mercury related problems? Like skin diseases or too Mercurial in nature – or some accident happened to them
Ra Si: ok, they don’t have skin disease as far as I know. From Jhora I see Ketu as being in Gemini twelfth house? Oh ok, you see rashi dhristi from there
SA: no, I am using True nodes in D-60 (at times mean nodes work) but mainly true nodes work far better – with true nodes Ketu should be in the 3H in D-60
Ra Si: ok
SA: Rahu should be in the 9H of higher vidya (knowledge) and that should give you either learning of some knowledge that is foreign to you (Rahu) or a foreign Guru kinds
Ra Si: in this life?
SA: yes, this life. Did you do any technical education? I see some problem regarding father on a broad sense
Ra Si: I study social history at master’s degree level – Yes, u see right
SA: ooh history… Is it related to war and fights and struggles (I do not know meaning of social history)
Ra Si: hmm, it’s a pretty broad field of history – you can say I started studying it to understand about my own identity
SA: at the age of 25 anything happened concerning 12 H matters? (in D-60) 
Ra Si: well, I felt like a huge weight was taken of my shoulders – my first relationship ended
SA: in your 25th year?
Ra Si: yes, and I started searching for spirituality
SA: please wait
Ra Si: ok
SA: 25th year would be Feb 2006 to Feb 2007, so did that spirituality search start during this period ?
Ra Si: yes, it increased in this period
SA: when did it start?
Ra Si: I think I broke up with the first spouse in 2005 not 2006 – then it was a year being single
SA: ok. When did the spirituality search start
Ra Si: I think in 2005 up till now – it was not so much like now
SA: in 2005 after Feb 2005?
Ra Si: yes, certainly but I wanted to know more about philosophy and things like that; the nature of men, etc
SA: when did God start?
Ra Si: 2008
SA: it’s the key to your D60
Ra Si: end of 2008 I started searching for Him – since I started learning Jyotish
SA: bang on your Ketu is in the 3H confirmed
SA: end of 2008 means your 27th year which means 3H of your chart and in 3H there is Ketu (spirituality real one) and also Jyotish since Mer Ketu are there. In 25th year I see some Peeda (internal strife), Sun (soul) is activated and suffering (Saturn) and internal search, 9L in 12H
Ra Si: nice, it fits a lot
SA: 28th or 29th year I see some women related activity or education activity strongly. Let me see your age now – you are in your 29th year now
Ra Si: 28th sir – 28th to 29
SA: but in 28th year since there is A8 I see a lot of occult (Jyotish) activity
Ra Si: I got it
SA: 28th year what u got?
Ra Si: I understand what u say of me being in 29th year
SA: ohh ok – it’s the Nadi way, that’s how it is calculated
Ra Si: ok
SA: 25th year something to do with wife or children? 25th year lord is in the 5H and retrograde hence it could be a year of mental turmoil. I can be wrong
Ra Si: hmm… I met my actual wife when I was 24 years
SA: 24th year running?
Ra Si: yes
SA: that means Feb 2005 to Feb 2006 ?
Ra Si: I met her in 2006
Ra Si: May 2006
SA: that is not 24th year but 25th year
Ra Si: ok
SA: reproducing what I wrote above, that’s how it is calculated. 25th year something to do with wife or children?
Ra Si: oh yes, indeed.
SA: since 25th year is 1H and its lord Moon is in the 11H of wife and children and it is aspected by Venus from the 5H
SA: is she round faced or calm composition, am trying to assess how much the Moon is spoilt by Venus retrogression or not – or is she motherly?
Ra Si: she’s very hot minded in disposition
SA: Moon being with Neptune could give fleeting thoughts
Ra Si: but yet she’s motherly in nature – but she complains on that
SA: ooh so Venus being the dispositor of Mars aspecting this Moon has done it, I was hoping it did not
Ra Si: it’s not an issue; we can get along well most of times
SA: that’s nice, we must be thankful to God for the good things he has given. Well my job is done, your Asc is Cancer in D-60 there is no doubt about it
Ra Si: do you see curse in 12th house? And I didn’t know it was possible to see such things on D-60
SA: D-60 is the chart of past, present and future
Ra Si: it’s great sir
SA: what was not possible to see in D-60?
Ra Si: I thought it was related to previous birth (AL) and the embodiment of all life you passed through (Lagna itself) but I didn’t know it would have such weightage in prediction as you showed
SA: the above statement is difficult for me to comprehend as it sounds a lot of theorization if you don’t mind me saying
SA: K. N. Rao has done phenomenal work on D-60 some decades back when no one was even looking at D-60. Full life predictions can be done via D-60 dear R
Ra Si: that’s very nice to know, will keep that in mind
Ra Si: sir, mind asking you
SA: your 30th year would be a very important year
Ra Si: related to spirituality?
SA: 30, 31, 32, 33. Lot of changes, lots and lots in all areas
Ra Si: maybe I’ll have a kid by then? I think a kid would trigger many changes
SA: yup a kid does. You wrote mind asking you ? What did u want to ask? Please ask as I will have to take your leave in few minutes
Ra Si: do u see if I have any chances of learning more on Jyotish? And if my previous assumption that I studied it in previous life is correct
SA: an advice I give to everyone when they ask this question is not to do more Jyotish – its not good for everyone except a select few and householders should generally avoid is my honest advice
Ra Si: ic
SA: the problem is your D-60 shouts loud on spirituality and occult so I can’t stop u (nor do we try to change Karma): 9L in 12H with Sun and Saturn; in D1 u see 11th lord of Jyotish in the 9H
Ra Si: do u think if I further on it I could leave my family or something like that?
SA: please do not ask that
Ra Si: ok
Ra Si: yes, depending on the answer
SA: I wish you well but do not worry about if you did Jyotish in previous life from D-60 – it’s not easy to see that from Rasi or D-60, all else is theorization and many of us on the internet forums have wasted years and more than a decade on such theorizations; wouldn’t want you to waste yours
Ra Si: I see, your very responsible sir
Ra Si: sir, I’m completely into Jyotish anyway
SA: if I am permitted to give any good advice
Ra Si: and about past lives, my only objective is to know them so I can get rid of them and be forever in the present; Jyotish is a mean to achieve that I think
SA: actually Jyotish is a means to learn about one’s pending karma so that we execute it in this life and move on in our soul cycle. Predictions about future was only a tool to attract the common man to learn about his pending karma. Unfortunately it has now become a tool to make a person addictive towards the astrologer and obsessive to know about the future (today we do not find astrologers who kick out regular clients, the astrologer who does and is not making you addictive towards astrology is the real astrologer)
Ra Si: yes, that’s not what I seek, I just want to be in peace and to that I need to learn about myself – and my pending karma – rather my Self
SA: one of the Bhrighu’s methods of finding One of the major pending karmas is by observing the 6H and its lord
Ra Si: on rashi?
SA: see it in the D-1 and D-60, observe it and mull over it for some time and you yourself will be able to decipher it
Ra Si: thanks a lot sir
SA: now I must take your leave, I rarely come on chat or on forums but I somehow managed to see only one mail which was yours and I am pleased to having seen it. Wishing you all the best. You have 3 retro planets so take it easy in life R
Ra Si: I think it’s a great niimita that we met sir – what about the 3 retro planets sir?
SA: that is kind of you to say that and I wish I had more time and knowledge to give you more predictions via D-60 without using transits or dasas which is what I do. I should not be saying this but when 3 retro planets are there, there are many many indications one of them is a tough life or a superb successful life, Venus in your 5H in D-60, you would have suffered a bit in love
Ra Si: I did, learned a lot from it
SA: something to do with love would have happened in the 16th year of your life or the 17th year of your life
Ra Si: exactly sir, 16 and 17 were major years in love matters
SA: I am sorry you went through that but all of us need to go through that
Ra Si: yes…
SA: see your D-60 lagna is no doubt correct. I hope you did not spend money trying to figure out which is your D-60 lagna or trying to correct your birth time
Ra Si: nope, not at all
SA: good good. Unfortunately everyone I meet lands up spending some 200-500 dollars trying to rectify their birth chart and I feel so bad hence I felt I should help you before you land up spending that kind of amount
Ra Si: I don’t even have this kind of money with me atm
SA: Saturn aspects your 2nd house so be careful of negative events you predict, they can come correct
Ra Si: but I felt I’d be able to do that on my own sooner or later
Ra Si: ok sir
SA: Jupiter is in the 12H and it will implement itself in the 10H of career, so be careful that you don’t do too much Jyotish or it will spoil your career – or too much spirituality
Ra Si: it might happen indeed
SA: I rarely advise anyone to become an astrologer due to what I see happening in the name of astrology – that’s a non Jyotish advice I give and then I discourage people who are about to get fooled by the astrology of curses
Ra Si: lol
SA: there is no such thing as strong as curse, for curses there are different combinations, what you see if a benefic is aspected or in association with 2 malefics is just pending karma regarding it
Ra Si: ic ic
SA: struggles very hard due to malefics that’s about it. But then it’s easier to fool foreigners with jargons like curses and they feel so strong about it, but its unfair to play with someone’s feelings and emotions. Anyways this is not the intention of this discussion and not needed so I must take your leave
Ra Si: ok sir
SA: May the Force be with you
Ra Si: I appreciate your concerns
SA: you are most welcome
Ra Si: and also what you said. May the force be with you too
Ra Si: have a nice time sir
SA: you too – bye for now
Ra Si: bye
 The method by which 25th year was arrived at was seeing Sun in the 12H, what we remember vaguely is one BSP method not yet written which was where Sun sits, it implements itself in the 25 th year. While editing this article we tried to locate it from our notes but could not find it.
 25th year lord as per BCP would be the 1H whose Lord is Moon, the sentence is erroneous by us in the chat as Asc Lord is in the 11H and not in the 5H. – SA Editor